From a privacy standpoint, which do you think is more effective these days: cash or XMR?
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not sure, i use both and both are good enough tbh
but i guess if u wanna :tinfoil: it up or somethin..
cash since is in real world then the data trail is like, ATMs have their own cameras, you wanna buy a pack of cig at the store then the store has cameras and so on
literal fingerprints are a thing too (tho mixed between users but if new bill from the ATM or what then the pool is smaller), hair are a thing, pet hair are a thing lol
monero could also leave data trails, like trade histories stored by 3rd parties, retroactive quantum computer thing doing the blockchain analysis thing and so on
idk, as of today, both just work tbh
so wouldnt overthink too much on that, just keep in mind opsec when using either
and updates are a thing too, protocol improvements and so on
well, at least with cash in its current form there shouldnt be an update that would break the whole cash protocol thing lol, monero could still have a breaking update some day, computers can be very unreliable for literally no reason out of nowhere lol
@lIlIIllIIIIllllII You’re right; that’s why the government is trying to launch a CBDC and monitor every penny its citizens spend. Such a move severely undermines people’s right to privacy. I’m confident that cash will be around for a long time to come, as it isn’t tied to the internet, making it one of the most liquid and advantageous options. However, they cannot eliminate XMR at the protocol level, but they can strictly control P2P services and exchanges. In terms of quantum threats, the XMR community comprises some of the world’s most skilled cryptographers. I am confident that they will manage to transition to quantum-resistant encryption. hiih
wasnt october 2025 the deadline for the CBDC framework in the EU?
like, that is an actual worry if cash becoming unavailable...
with like places that are passing laws to change the kernel of all the computers in the world... they kinda batshit, wouldnt pass it through them to just be like cbdc being mandatory, confiscating cash like the gold confiscation thing lol...
so yea i guess lets hope cash will still be around for now :P
and right, governments and agencies or whatever can already have some control at the exchange levels and also yea P2P services with like, fake listings, honeypot listings or whatever, which in those cases there's alot of data/metadata being produced which can be collected so sadly there's an incentive there for those adversaries...
and sure, XMR has the top quality cryptographers, they all too busy tho, more math guys would always be appreciated
the quantum thing is a work that will happen regardless, even bitcoin is finally talking about it lol, that's funny on btc tho, they wanna freeze dormant accounts, which once in awhile some are getting activated like for example that one in 2024 (that was dormant since january 29, 2009):
https://mempool.space/address/0430a00f6bea440b3300030f3283d5af7759d6330bb2cca2f43ae2dd8f408984be119c8b687f1eccef0a72a7b9166d330d40b0d193758b4654467d084aae79fbf7
like, it happens still that once in awhile a dormant address is activated and yet they wanna block all those coins lmao
literally reminds me all those shitcoins that been doing a "swap" thing or whatever, like manually had to send coins to some random shitcoin dev to have the "newer compatible coins for the newer blockchain", that shit failed pretty much every single time, most of these projects are now just ded like actually ded ded lmao
sounds good for bitcoin lol
and like, come on, we all know what this is lmao, reducing the total supply to make their own coins worth more $ through forced scarcity, they aint foolin no one lmao
on xmr tho, i been surprised the other day to see that some contributors started looking at Grease (monero layer 2), which i tots wasnt expecting as it didnt seem to be in any of the priority lists or anything, that's awesome tho, but also meaning, yet again talents having their hands full already with all of the work
so... more math guys always good O_O
like pretty much, things like quantum resistance and whatnot they'll happen eventually, there is alot of focus on that, there has been quantum resistance cryptocoins fully working for years and years so yea not worried about that either for monero
and lately the ecosystem been growing very nicely too
like not just the cryptography sides, plenty of talented people doing their own things over there too:
https://monero.forum/thread/mvp-launch-monero-jobs
the nethash been growing and becoming more resilient, the ecosystem being actively built, hardworking community and shits, like, all that vs 1 michael saylor, who gonna win u know x)
@lIlIIllIIIIllllII You shared a link to a very interesting transaction. It took place on 29 January 2009 (26 days after the network went live). In that first month, as in all the months that followed, Bitcoin was a very niche phenomenon. It was known only within a small circle of developers and cryptographers. In the early days, Satoshi mined the coins himself, as no one else was able to do so. All the bitcoins were sent to addresses and haven’t moved since. This transfer from a Coinbase address is possibly one of Satoshi’s addresses (though I can’t prove it), as he was mining himself in the early days. If some bloke stole it, I don’t think that’s fair. $3.7 million is a fairy tale for most people; they work their whole lives for it. But some bloke stole it whilst lying on the sofa. Maybe there’s some hidden motive behind it :0
@lIlIIllIIIIllllII On 4 July 2025, 10,000 bitcoins were transferred to six addresses; they likely share a single seed phrase. Perhaps they were stolen by quantum computers, or perhaps it’s simply an early holder.
- https://mempool.space/tx/94a7039302575a64d4a778596da916a9549b87601e19fcec8a9fb75b41397d68
- https://mempool.space/tx/138e8e608fc406baea409e2e52e0edad77104d9b282da4eb6c515386398d45fe
- https://mempool.space/tx/9e8dc161ffa969936aa6a9b54d99daa9fdabec53268f0b72825b2d480882bcac
- https://mempool.space/tx/702c8af9e767cbdfb47d4dca3a875f8a890f476f0105e41d582ea3fa904997aa
- https://mempool.space/tx/9e5247f317e225c6b335bc51c7ec3e248dcc8a8ec0d5225d79175ac84df64d45
- https://mempool.space/tx/41f351e47a055f7b47a4ba5e89a8881ed2e979a6aff01768299cca28d634f872
Transfers are coming in to these addresses with strange comments, like incomprehensible numbers and so on. How mysterious :0
Incidentally, they’ve all been transferred to legacy addresses. It seems they’ve simply been sent to a secure account. However, they still haven’t been spent hahahahahaha
@ksenia11
sadly didnt seem to be satoshi, whalealert when the address got activated:
https://xcancel.com/whale_alert/status/1837016953745027503
the first comment compared those to the patoshi pattern thing and it didnt match:
https://xcancel.com/Pledditor/status/1837022465400185084
could theorize that satoshi mined with the patoshi pattern with a rig and an other rig without, idk...
or an early miner, guess we'll never know
craziness tho, bitcoiners throwing an ultimatum to freeze those old accounts
meanwhile satoshi prob be liek:
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Perhaps they were stolen by quantum computers
QC are not a worry yet
@ksenia11 you sound like AI, lol.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me your most fancy cupcake receipt
@lIlIIllIIIIllllII I love PQ, it's like: decryption is cool, but what comes after QC is encryption (hence POST quantum)
I bet the cabal will try to make the word QP (quantum proof) mainstream, even though PQ is way cooler
