Grease - Monero Layer 2

@quadriocellata

I'm not that familiar with the "ladder" , is it like a ranking thing? Are there wipes that cause everything to start again.

yup, ladder is a ranking thing, check the screenshots from the post above yours :P
is reset once every 3-4 months or so
the date is usually announced 1-2 weeks beforehand so that's when people take their week off their irl job to play the ladder cause, even on day 1 ladder reset, some people are making more than at their actual job lol

the date usually is announced over there:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92792030&f=148

Have you ever tried botting yourself, if you did, how did it go ? :)

that's literally how i learned how to play the videogame, by botting
and same for coooley:

• https://www.twitch.tv/coooley
• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTy-9QNmP0Gekdrf6YwA2yA

you have to literally being able to play as consistently as an actual bot for a whole week (or more depending on skill level) to top the leaderboard thing
which coooley is even better than i am

and that guy is even better than the both of us:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102738008&f=148

which his forum golds are worth about $80k, there's people even more richer than him
but in his case he made most of his wealth just selling "rush services" in hardcore (permadeath)
some people made millions before bitcoin, during bitcoin, they didnt adopt bitcoin, they talked about it when it released, some adopted it but most didnt
and they have the hardware, botting hardware can be mining hardware

both roneye and coooley are streaming with some kind of automation (autohotkey to join the game faster on the alt accounts, which when leveling is increasing the difficulty but also droprates, xp gains and whatnot)

the botting community used to be bigger, there's some very interesting people there too

https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260713#c693531

Hey all, I've spent some time going back to the fundamentals of Grease (Monero payment channels) and I believe I've come up with something that is a) simpler b) more elegant and c) resolves the trust issues surrounding the KES. (tl;dr it removes the KES completely)

In short:
Grease channels lock funds in a 2-of-2 output and gate every unilateral close
behind a secret offset, so nobody can broadcast a stale state unaided. What the
channel can't do for itself is decide, when the two parties disagree, which
state is the latest -- and release exactly the offset that closes at it. Grease v1
designs gave that job to a Key Escrow Service that held each party's offset: a
custodian whose key, if it leaks, drains funds, and which is hard to make
trustless on any transparent or zero-knowledge chain; and a complicated
Verifiable Consecutive One-way function (VCOF) that provided a provable chain of adapter offsets.

This proposal drops the custody and the VCOF. In this way, it's much simpler, and significantly more elegant than v1.
Better yet, it can be deployed on blockchains that are in production today.

The crux: Each party verifiably encrypts its offset to a public
statement -- "on this channel, state i is the latest" -- whose decryption
key is a threshold-BLS signature that an arbiter committee produces only when
its published, deterministic on-chain logic rules the statement true. The
arbiter keeps only authority (which statement is true, decided in public code)
and holds no channel secret at all. The signature for that attestation lets a channel party
decrypt the offset for exactly the state that was determined to be the latest, and no other.

This proposal drops the custody and the VCOF. In this way, it's much simpler, and significantly more elegant than v1.
Better yet, it can be deployed on blockchains that are in production today.

The crux: Each party verifiably encrypts its offset to a public
statement -- "on this channel, state i is the latest" -- whose decryption
key is a threshold-BLS signature that an arbiter committee produces only when
its published, deterministic on-chain logic rules the statement true. The
arbiter keeps only authority (which statement is true, decided in public code)
and holds no channel secret at all. The signature for that attestation lets a channel party
decrypt the offset for exactly the state that was determined to be the latest, and no other.

Grease v2 needs a chain that signs an application-chosen message on demand under a
consensus-held threshold key, gated by on-chain logic; ICP vetKeys provides this
on mainnet today, and an EVM variant (an EigenLayer-style committee driving a
Solidity dispute contract) is worked out too. Monero's base-layer privacy is
undisturbed -- a close is an ordinary transaction, and the arbiter never sees
balances, addresses, or the funding output's key image.

https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dkBVlqenqetpnptqzqLIGTyz.pdf (abridged.pdf)
I've written this up more formally, and would be grateful if I could get some eyes on the proposal and check whether it has merit..
The happy path flow remains ~ the same as v1 (minus the complicated VCOF function -- it's largely replaced with a DLEQ proof + encrypted state record).

edit:

https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260714#c693734

wow very nice game minecraft

@bilalijaz662

wow very nice game minecraft

for minecraft u may want to look at:

• https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=03qDX7ZVlTY
  

• https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=wYm9Kvg0qbg
  

• https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=JO8EnzNfEk4
  
  https://github.com/42henry/herb-engine-C-3D

or tbh even just:
https://git.townforge.net/townforge/townforge
lol