Grease - Monero Layer 2

Been pretty hyped about it.
Issue however is that, it's the cryptobros always ruining shits...
Like, casinos and shits? Wtf is this, that's some web3 defi type shit, fuck that lol.

Monero is very profesional project.
Gambling casinos web3 defi is not very state of the art AAA profesional business model.
While very profesional AAA business model be liek:

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$ cat TODO-babylonjs-port.md

https://cipherchan.minimal.blog/todo-babylonjs-port-md

@cipherchan

In recent MRL it was discussed, in short development is paused due to lack of funds. AFAIK there isn't an agreeable Key Escrow Scheme (KES).

Here is a link to some older discussion about it https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lounge/20260427

I think the grease authors will be at MoneroKon, so fingers crossed there is a more layman presentation/update there :)

@quadriocellata
aight O_O
ngl i dont even know what KES even is, ill have to look into it :P
and for real tho, this videogame thing is actually an attack vector on the retards at the MRL that cant math and making mining not profitable...
while botting the videogame been more profitable than mining for the past decade

just sayin, not AI logic but hardcoded logic
and if AI, then would only be to actually improve the game mechanics through reinforcment learning:
(before the AI slops):

which the tldr of the idea is like, making a game with this thing as a reference:
https://github.com/blizzhackers/kolbot
(not a game but a bot thing)
which even has some integrated automated trading features:
(tho not fully fully automated because the game itself is not based around that, but if it was from scratch then that's what's up), from "lime drop" thing is a more recent thingy in kolbot:

so the idea is, automated trading in the game too
and it's not just items, materials and so on but services too
like rn i thinking, since will be a multibox of 5 characters (recruiting NPCs along the way of first playthrough)
then for even more difficult dungeons and raids, players (or automated through script chosen by player) to look for availability of other players that might be interested in lending their one of their character or multiple of their to help in dungeons / raids
and the one doing the hiring is the one getting the drops, the one getting paid is getting the monero thing
all of that could be fully automated
better than mining
players dont need to play the game, it's automated, and it would automatically withdraw to the inputed address that the player has actually the private key for

then why would anyone mine the monero if botting the videogame is more profitable?
solution could be to instead of webgl browser game, it would be a full desktop game a mine on 1 thread of all the clients
total takeover of the ccs clowns that cant math about mining profitability that's just shit and it's been shit
and yet they out here being all like "oh yea, keep mining at a loss, trust", like fuck that lmao
lets make that $$$ qubic style 0 fuck given
🖕😈🖕

@cipherchan I imagine the market for that wouldn't be as big as monero mining in the future? Hence it will become more profitable to mine Monero with the CPU power, if lots of participants join? Of course on a small scale you could make your money there, and then convert the profits to Monero. Similar in idea to what the folks at moneroocean are doing with mining other coins based on profitability.

Mining is profitable where electricity costs are lowest, for example in Iran it can be like 95% less than EU markets..

If you have solar and have some script to use idle CPU time you can make some profit. Else, in winter can use your computer as a heater!

An interesting idea to look into is datura.network, where some (small) amount of hash is used to secure that network doing randomX on p2pool nano. I like methods like this to secure the network, seems cool and somewhat "free".

Thanks for the tips btw, very generous and much appreciated!

I imagine the market for that wouldn't be as big as monero mining in the future?

you mean like?:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=271
market for free money for literally free? yea i think it's a pretty big market lol
and to name drop jesse powell again: https://d2legit.com
see where it redirects, that was his business before kraken, it worked and he lost the plot by building a centralized exchange

botting has been working for longer than monero has been a thing and is still more profitable to this day
and is a model with a longer track record than bitcoin (how's bitcoin mining going?) and monero (how's those electric bills going?)

Mining is profitable where electricity costs are lowest, for example in Iran it can be like 95% less than EU markets..

ngl sounds like that uganda gold mine kinda:

edit: fixed link d2legit lmao, was wrong link lol

@cipherchan perhaps I underestimate the size of these markets :D

Its a supply and demand thing though right? You have to have some talents to develop bots that get around anti-cheats etc and sell the items. If you have the talent for that may as well make money there! But suppose it was really easy, and many were doing it, I'm sure the profitability would tend to 0.

I don't know these markets for Diablo well, only counter strike, and AFAIK the market cap of the skins there is about the same as Monero, which blows my mind! And if you knew how to bot well, it could well make more money than Monero mining, similar to your example.

@quadriocellata
sry being aggro, i kinda bipolar lol
and also had to stop by tobacco store and was stressed af cause is sunday and is a long way there so for the whole travel i was like "is it gonna be closed? is it gonna be open?"
so went on an adventure thing lol
got teh tobacco \o/

Its a supply and demand thing though right

yea, and the gaming company is also getting that $$$, they ban bots, bot rebuy cdkeys
it's a model that has been working for literally more than 2 decades for blizzard and botters
everyone making $
the bot is opensource
well, some part of it in d2bs-core is closed source sadly
but yea, it's on github, that's what people been using
then newer version of the game was made like in 2021 and the bots been having it tougher with bans but they still there, still making $ and the gaming company making $ as well

I'm sure the profitability would tend to 0

it's all about the drop-rate that are tuned specifically for bots
that even in 20+ years of botting 24/7 all the players combined, some of the perfect perfect items still dont even exists because the chance of rolling those stats and rolling the perfect stats are like...
idk, but like, u know those math to crack a monero private key? well not like that but kinda like that u know

also being ladder-based make the market always fresh, it's predictable market with predictable prices for if is early ladder, mid ladder, late ladder
and for "hardcore" when the character dies then all the gear dies with it too, then that's market there as well with those players remaking a character, gearing them yet again from scratch and so on

I don't know these markets for Diablo well, only counter strike, and AFAIK the market cap of the skins there is about the same as Monero

yea i just not into shooter games ngl, that's kinda too pew pew 'murica type shit lol

but yea, heard that there is a massive market of cs skins
which might have been couple years ago a reddit thread about that popped up too but same shit...
cryptobros that dont get it lol
so we're just stuck with "casinos" and "pinkle" or whatever that even is lmao

like yea, cs markets, fucking minecraft market or whatever the fuck i dont even know, like, yea, that's alot of markets that monero is not even trying on those...

and regarding "diablo"
then monero has an entry point there:

• "hardcore" ladder 12 (start date: Oct 3 2025):
  https://d2emu.com/ladder?t=all-hcxp&s=12

• "softcore" ladder 13 (start date: feb 20 2026):
  https://d2emu.com/ladder?t=all-scxp&s=13

what about those other games?
does monero has an entry point to those other games and communities?
or it's all monero reddit echochamber in the whole monero ecosystem?

@lIlIIllIIIIllllII AFAIK there isn't really cs skins being sold for monero, only direct p2p stuff on xmrbazaar, but so low volumes you may as well discount them. I think a lot of it is convenience honestly.. once they start getting taxes and stuff on any public tx a lot of people, and sites may start accepting monero since it becomes the path of least resistance

@cipherchan I'm not that familiar with the "ladder" , is it like a ranking thing? Are there wipes that cause everything to start again. Have you ever tried botting yourself, if you did, how did it go ? :)