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My Criticism with P2P Economy

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Aug 3, 2026 8:50 AM
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Just for the start, I'm on the side that like P2P economy. Yet I have my own gripe about this style of conducting business.

First, it expect us to hold our own action accountable do every research homework on our own. You gotta search for who are willing to trade with you and then you still need to make sure if the reputation of the trader is good so they won't scam you. That's a lot of mental work to do just doing a transaction.

If I must make a comparison, it's like how you want to make a bread but you gotta plant the wheat yourself first. It's economically expensive to do it alone on your own. Sure it's possible. But expecting everyone to hold the same standard is hard if not straight impossible.

The reason why every successful business can gain a lot of customer is because they're able to remove every friction that customer encounter when purchasing a product or service. Also having escrow system in place doesn't help. My friend just got scammed on Xmrbazaar by a fake mediator. He's impersonating popular figure in the Monero space to gain trust. It look legit because the scammer also has review which probably fabricated. This is why I personally don't mind for a website held custody of the funds. Especially if that website already have reputation on the net. A single point of failure in the form of a site that need to uphold their reputation is better than having many in the form of scammer and their fake account.

Everything has a drawback. This is just my own feedback on the solution but moving forward I think a hybrid system is a viable solution. A mix of custody and P2P set in place. A website or platform can hold the user funds and act as the mediator to prevent scam as the default, but the user also can choose to do p2p with independent escrow if they're not feeling safe trusting that website for whatever reason.

Scammers has always been a problem for a long time and the reason why our community being shunned upon although we offer real solution to ever growing surveillance state. P2P economy is good in nature but it forgot to take account that there are also malevolent and selfish people out there.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

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Aug 3, 2026 9:15 AM
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imo 2of2 multisig solves the trust side of this. If both parties can't agree then the money gets burned. There's no room for a scam unless you're really dumb.
But like you said, this is too technical for you average ebay user. So I'd definitely agree with you that centralized services fill this gap. Most dnm's operate just like you said, just simple escrow against the website. Although they almost always exit scam, which is always a risk with these systems.
I like the idea that anyone should be able to setup their own centralized infrastructure very easily that people can transact inside. This shouldn't be reserved for big regulated players. I think the open source software that makes this possible will become more available, and the demand for this will increase.

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Aug 3, 2026 9:55 AM Edited Aug 3, 2026 10:30 AM
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@sepia

an other issue with those centralized services is that an admin can just create high reputation accounts, sell them or even use them to scam without the suspicions falling unto admin but of the "trusted account":
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=N_FWgUA85aI
trust

so imo, trustless systems are just the way to go coming forward

like, the other day literally learned that apparently, before the internet was even a thing, there were those thingies designed assuming everyone was trusted and not malicious type thing, but now with the internet, with greed, with people being malicious and whatnot, it's just not realistic at all to have those type of designs in today's day:

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=M_720LesVg4
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@Nebuchadnezzar_II

2/2 multisig, that reminds me that haveno fork "Penumbra" that been abandoned:
https://github.com/l0nelyc0w/Penumbra
edit: most recent was on gitlab but yea, abandoned: https://gitlab.com/l0nelyc0w/penumbra

2/3 with a deposit fee that can be lost has been aight too tbh

for decentralized marketplace there's also that proof of concept thingy that been in the work for few years too:
https://github.com/layters/testshop

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Aug 3, 2026 10:20 AM
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@GamingResearchLab
Thats strange it was abandoned. I always thought that haveno supported 2/2 but I was wrong. Funny, the recent hack would never have worked against 2/2 because there is no third party to impersonate. It is framed as being only for trusted counterparties, but I'd happily use it with a stranger, especially with a security bond.

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