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More AI SlopWare in the Monero community... yet again

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Sep 1, 2026 7:52 PM
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I wanted to share a reply that I typed up in response to a post made by nobswebdev on XmrBazaar showcasing his product Nullcart. I'm reposting my response here, because I believe it encapsulates some key issues with the use of AI while referencing a real AI slop project shared in the Monero community.

Full thread: http://xmrbazaar6wzcr3wvj4anpnfwv5tcikgdurtzzfba233g52fa2fjx3qd.onion/forum/topic/353/

My response:

What I did was provide constructive criticism, but I am also tired of these quick one–and–done projects being shared in the Monero community without much thought and planning going into them. We need people who are obsessive, who have the necessary technical skill and discipline to plan out, manage, execute, and maintain projects with a decent longevity. High quality talent like that does not take things personal, but will argue from a point of reason. They make decisions for a reason and those reasons are usually predicated on an immense and thorough thought process, which is precisely why they are capable of defending their decisions. For example, if a Monero eCommerce platform was in fact developed by someone who put a lot of thought and effort into it, they would be able to defend their decisions, because they made those decisions for a reason.

If you said that you tested out existing CMS and you found certain issues with each of them making an integration not a viable option, that I could understand. However, I would be interested in the thought process, reasoning, and research you conducted to come to that conclusion. This is known as critical thinking. If two people who don't know each other and who live on opposite ends of the planet use the exact same objective method, they will arrive at the exact same conclusion. This is what proper research and reasoning leads to. I do not see how this project embodies this process in any way, shape or form. This is precisely the problem I am highlighting.

As someone who has real business intelligence and solution architecture experience, I know the final code is only one part of the equation, but what matters is the solution and the solution is almost always more complex in nature than the product. I would have first started to plan out who my target audience is and what problem they are facing that I am attempting to solve. You always start with the problem and not the solution. For example, who are you targeting with this? Is it the vendors I previously mentioned? Because if that is the case, most of them do not care for Monero — they just want fiat, but are limited by regulatory, legal, and institutional rules. There are many CMS with eCommerce integrations that already solve these problems for them. This solution does nothing to solve their problem.

Is it darknet market vendors? There are existing solutions out there for that and there many more features required to satisfy that customer base. Security is of the essence for this demographic and buyers will need some form of escrow service to have the confidence to hand over their money. These security features are not optional — they are essential. These features are not included and therefor this is unlikely to be your target demographic or — at the very least — this demographic is unlikely to use your product.

What about legitimate eCommerce stores that already have a storefront? Well, it can't be them either, because there is no tax or accounting integration, which is arguably the most difficult part of the accounting process for international eCommerce stores. Since you did not build an integration, they would have to offer a secondary store front just for customers who want to pay in Monero, who are most commonly a minority. Your product does nothing to solve their problems.

This is the type of thought process that must happen at the very beginning of any project and it is what is missing from many slop project. Your principles matter and these elements should be built into the solution right from the beginning rather than remain an afterthought.

There is too much hype in the Monero community with people congratulating each other just for releasing any Monero–based project. This sets a terrible precedent and does nothing to further the community's goals. The community is riddled with people who are far too ideological, but not technical. This is a technical topic and we need technical people to solve technical problems.

If you want to use AI, use AI, but don't outsource critical thinking, reasoning, planning, problem solving, and proper execution and initiation to the AI.

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Sep 1, 2026 8:03 PM
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This needed to be said. Thank you!

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Sep 1, 2026 9:11 PM
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read through the thread https://xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/353/
and remembered "oh, there was that kabus script thing" but the github now is 404 and the opensource version stopped being maintained anyways

still, that's like, there is already those solutions out there that been made, and i dont get why instead of contributing on the existing projects, they rather build a quick thing instead, fragmenting the space into smaller projects that just quickly stop being maintained completely

it has been an issue with the monero mobile wallets too, so many of them...
and for newcomers, that's so counterintuitive, like "which linux distro to even pick? there's so many!"
so they just end up installing some shady closed source thing like exodus instead smh

it creates the same issues there, and when taking a step back, it's just alot of dev resources being wasted on those temporary things that dont even last long, rather than contributions on the established projects that could always use more dev resources...

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Sep 2, 2026 5:54 AM
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@Yuzuki

If you want to use AI, use AI, but don't outsource critical thinking, reasoning, planning, problem solving, and proper execution and initiation to the AI.

thats the quote of the day....
use clanker indeed isn't a crime, but atleast the idea, workflow, etc is from our side. justified argument was "some human don't had brainpower to do some coding" which is acceptable

but if instead thinking about other technical things, the human just send the "base" idea to clanker and let them do..."CLANK CLANK CLANK" til the web done, is indeed morally wrong...

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Sep 2, 2026 6:38 AM
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@UsualCat I use AI for different things, but I use it in a very different manner than the slop coders and normies. I use AI as a way of learning different tools. For example, I lay out my idea for the architecture of a setup, but then ask for any alternative options, whether there are any tools that could make it easier, and whether there are any modifications necessary to suit my use case and solve my problems. Sometimes I make things too complicated, other times I didn't know about a specific tool that would make my life much easier, and in other cases the docs just suck. Using AI to brainstorm is a great and productive way of using it in my opinion, but the primary thought process is still my own.

Let's assume I have 10 different Qubes with data that need to be synchronized to a local NAS, but some of those Qubes are offline qubes which don't have direct access. I list out requirements and what ideas I have, such as a dom0 script to copy them over to a separate Qube, then synchronize from there with syncthing or rsync. There are many ways of solving the problem and maybe the best way is to consolidate some of the data instead or utilizing a separate disk or using containers that can be mounted to the data sharing qube. In either case, AI is really useful to have a second pair of virtual eyes on what I'm planning on doing, what my need is, what problem I'm trying to solve, and then figuring out what the best way of going about it is. Or maybe, this isn't even the best way of doing it. Maybe the foundation of my thought process here is flawed from the start and there is a standardized way of going about this. It's extremely useful in this manner and I learn a lot in the process. There is still a lot of experience and expertise necessary. Someone blindly using AI would be unlikely to even attempt something like this. The initiation here always comes from me.

Another use case is research. I try to be as language agnostic as possible, which means a lot of research and learning. Finding reliable information the way I want it is unlikely to be accessible on the web. All the blog posts found via search engines are just AI generated slop and user generated content rarely contains what I'm looking for. There are also too many conflicts of interest with many posts and articles just being written for the sake of shilling some product. It saves a huge amount of time when I can just ask the AI some technical questions about different languages to figure out what I could use for a specific project, then drill down into libraries, frameworks, and ORMs. From there, I can do my own research by playing with these languages and frameworks to see how they work, what the community support is like, and whether they meet my requirements.

I engage in a lot of reverie walking around and thinking. It's nice that I can just ask the AI whenever I have a new idea, but lack specific knowledge to execute on it. Then I can familiarize myself more with the topic and use the appropriate sources for this.

So yes, there are a lot of ways to use AI productively. However, normies don't use AI the way I do, just as they don't use a computer the way I do. And if you are an autistic schizo like myself, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

However, here are a few (but not all) things I do not rely on AI for:

  • Scientific research: I read a lot of peer reviewed papers given that I have an interest in research chemicals, drugs, and cognitive enhancers. This means a lot of reading and a lot of analysis — something which I very much enjoy. Precision and accuracy are key here, so there is no way in hell I would just ask the AI "hey, what dose of this experimental drug should I take?". I'm not suicidal, tyvm.
  • Design: I love spending time on UI/UX design and I'm fairly good at it. However, I refuse to use AI for any design work at all. When I work on a project that I care about, I want it to look nice, to have a unique and proper brand, and to embody my vision. AI can't help me with this. The only use for AI here is inspiration, but I don't really use it for it. After all, there is always dribbble.com. Kikuri's logo required several iterations to get it just right. I used AI for inspiration here, because there are virtually no brands like it. However, in the end I still created it myself by drawing it in Inkscape after some drafts in Krita.
  • Blog posts: Despite everyone on Pitch accusing me of using AI for what I write, I don't. When I write a post, I want it to represent me and who I am. Using AI would eradicate that element and it would defeat the point of me being on the darknet to begin with. All of this started with me just wanting a blog where I could say what I truly believe. I saw the darknet as the only place where I could truly be myself and say what I want to say. For that reason, AI would defeat the entire purpose. English is not my first language and I don't have the vocabulary of an academic, but I put effort and thought into what I write. It means something to me.
  • Blind code: I'm happy to use AI to see if I could do something better. As I like to say "once you know, you know". Is there a better way for organizing my directories and modules for the sake of scalability? I'm including rate limiting, hash verification, and other security measures, but is there anything else that I'm missing? Are there any common exploits for any of the tools or languages I use? There are uses for AI when developing software, but blindly copy pasting or just using a visual builder is completely retarded. It doesn't get you to think about the code and makes you complacent. This means you are less likely to catch an issue when there is one, you put less thought into the actual structure, and you could very well end up yeeting an entire database by accident. It's the equivalent of using a website builder instead of developing your own website. It's fine for small business or a website for someone's wedding, because security and design aren't too important in those cases. They usually just want a quick web presence and that's it. But if you want to create a real project that provides real value and solves complex problems, then you have to do it yourself.
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