Monero has a vibe-coding problem

@xenu I'm going to be completely blunt here, but miss me with that "it's a tool" shit. It is super clear this is not what we're talking about here. I think we're all intelligent enough here to distinguish good from bad AI usage. The problem is it's filling the community spaces with the latter: Low quality, zero effort trash. Who gives a shit if it's good in XYZ scenarios you've listed, I mean, good for you, it's still being used to pump out garbage in various places of the Monero community.

I'm no programmer so I'll let those who are comment on AI usage in their turf, but many open source projects either disallowed it or at least facilitated it to limit the useless crap. I think it's high time we implement some of that regulation in the various community spaces. I'm so tired of checking the reddit board, this forum and Monerica occasionally then get hit with tons of new AI generated websites, articles, user generated content and tools, all of which worth absolutely nothing and just a waste of time. I've already mentioned above how it makes the rest of the community look bad from the outside.

@H1XMR ahh yes the "let's regulate it" argument.
Newsflash: There is no "community image", none of us has any claim on what a developer chooses to do with their servers or code.
What you CAN do is express your derision by simply not using these tools and maybe discouraging others from doing so.

@xenu I've written off Thorchain since you mentioned it in your podcast, thanks for that.

Lol well I don't think thorchain is irredemable but yeah they have issues.

@H1XMR I mean you aren't wrong but AI is just a part of the equation now. I do not see AI fillng the Monero ecosystem and you need to give some examples because I think you are exagerrating.

@xenu I think there a few websites and AI-assisted projects. I don't mind random websites with some info, but as soon as it comes to peoples monero going through these sites/projects, it's kinda sketchy.

This isn't just a monero thing though, the amount of "I built x y z" project posts in general is crazy. Generally I find it best to have a look at commit history and the way things look/sound and it gives a good indicate as to the level of "vibes" used..

@xenu These are just the most immediate examples that come to mind: XMRBazaar's countless listings using AI-generated images for ads. Monerica has a few entries that are blatantly AI slop, this one is from just yesterday: https://monerowire.com/ . Other examples: the reddit board. Right now, I checked and I can see at least 4 of the last 12 posts on the home page are written with AI. It gets worse than that most of the time.

@ancap_objectivist What are you even talking about ? every community group has rules and guidelines, including the IRC groups and reddit board. It is not at all difficult to implement and enforce a rule -for example- for full AI usage disclosure and/or disallowing projects that were made 100% by AI with no oversight/proofreading etc.
Furthermore, community image is absolutely a thing, lmfao. It's the first thing many newcomers come in contact with. I'm part of the community and I clearly can't stand all this slopfest, now imagine a newcomer, they'd think crypto is still a scam and turn around immediately.

@H1XMR I feel like you and I might be kindred spirits, have you ever listened to Ed Zitron? he has a similar fire in him when it comes to arguing against AI. might be an interesting listen or read if you're bored
https://www.wheresyoured.at/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsdzuPs5NKvdsBkQnP7Af8w

we might need an AI thread for discussion, or maybe a Pro AI and an Anti-AI thread

Personally, I like to focus on how it's an entirely circular economy that is doomed to burn up without constant injection of outside money, and the signs of ignition can be seen, and I'm loving it.
my favorite joke about ai:
it costs us money for every input and output. sam! how are we gonna profit??
sam: we'll make it up in volume.

@avarice I don't know who Ed Zirton is. I like to think we're neither kindred nor special in any way regarding this matter, that we're actually the normal majority, and all these AI sloptards are the anamoly. But I can't tell anymore these days.

I'm actually trying not to include my personal opinions about AI in general here, and I'm strictly focusing instead on the egregious usecases that I argued have been plaguing the community, my angle here should be clear and agreeable to even the most mentally challenged Claude Pro user.

@H1XMR lol reddit is all astroturfed ai nonsense. totally unbrowsable and I agree.
I do know of several Monero projects that are obviously vibe coded and yeah, I don't trust them.
There is something to be said though of the influencers posting obvious ai slop. That is an immediate reputation destroyer. It is super common too.

@H1XMR not to get nitpick your examples or get too off-topic here, but do you really think Reddit and IRC moderation schemes are something to emulate?
Besides the obvious dumpster fire of Reddit, IRC is no better; Freenode AND Libera insta-ban users over dumb rules because they are hosted in the EU (UK, in case of Libera) and have to prostrate themselves to dumb EU laws.
The fact that they ban Tor should be enough of a red-flag.

Getting back to the regulation thing: You have a right to disassociate from folk, but you've no right to police speech outside your own property.
In other words, hypothetically If you own a listing site, go ahead and de-list (disassociate from) that AI slop project. But you've no right to have me de-list it from my site.