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Open Source Licensing Prohibiting Corporations

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Jul 4, 2026 10:49 PM
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This is a repost of a post I made in response to a thread about making XmrBazaar open source, however my post redirects the conversation towards open source licensing.

Original thread: https://xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/293/page/1/
Onion ver: http://xmrbazaar6wzcr3wvj4anpnfwv5tcikgdurtzzfba233g52fa2fjx3qd.onion/forum/topic/293/page/1/

I agree and disagree. On the hand, given the space we're in, making the project open source makes sense, however I also believe that a lot of work has gone into the platform and making it open source means anyone can start a platform that competes with XmrBazaar without having to put in any of the work. Given that this is a platform and not just a simple fediverse instance or a private shop, I think XmrBazaar is better off remaining closed source.

However, that is not to say open source has no place here. The one direction that makes sense is to release a core or community edition which is open source, while not having all the custom features that XmrBazaar has. This way anyone can work on extending it and work on creating add-ons and plugins.

Speaking of the license, we absolutely need a type of license that forbids governments and corporations from using any of the code and tech produced by the open source community. You see this all the time with open source projects. Some corporation comes along, stitches together open source tech without attribution or payment, patents the final product, and then sells it on the open market. This absolutely needs to stop! It is an enormous problem in the open source community and it's about time someone puts a stop to it.

I think this type of license agreement requires far more debate and discussion in the Monero, open source, and darknet communities to define what it can NOT be used for, such as:

  • Any government or government affiliate actor can not use the software in any way
  • Any corporation can not use the software to create an end product or use it as part of an end product and patent the entirety or the software itself

However, we need proper legal definitions here to ensure there are no workarounds across jurisdictions. I've been thinking about this a lot as I'm working on some projects myself that will eventually become open source and I have absolutely no interest in a government using it, a corporation using it to get rich quick, a company selling the software itself, or products being patented using the software.

One idea I had is to forbid any and all commercial use of the product without acquiring explicit permission. This would effectively prohibit any and all companies, corporations, and commercial actors from ever using the product. That is the explicit rule, while there is an implicit rule too. The implicit rule is that I would never go after legitimate actors, such as people wanting to start their own projects on the darknet and monetize them. Technically, I could legally go after them, but I never would.

Corporations are far more bound to these agreements than actors on the darknet or within the Monero community. I think this absolutely warrants discussion and we need to release an open source license specifically for this. The open source world has been taking advantage of for far too long by corpos, cronies, and corrupt motherfuckers. If the entire open source world effectively started using this new type of license that protects individuals and legitimate businesses, while telling corpos and governments to fuck off, many of these companies would no longer be able to sell their garbage products and it would cost them a fortune to develop it all themselves in house. This would lead to a split between the open source world and the corpo world, which is exactly what needs to happen.

It also opens up a new revenue stream for open source devs. Since corpos now have to acquire explicit permission, the devs could charge them whatever they want just to use the software.

We could start a small group to work on precisely this license type and test it out, then get the community's feedback to close any gaps.

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Jul 10, 2026 6:53 AM
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@Nebuchadnezzar_II I gave you a strict line of logical arguments grounded in reason, and you came back with "its surely a matter of preference". If you cannot prove that that is the case, then you are (objectively) wrong.

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Jul 10, 2026 9:17 AM
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@ancap_objectivist
From my perspective, the most you can claim to have proven is that taking legal action in this case would violate the user's right to free will, which I don't disagree with, so I need not find flaw in your argument. Whats a matter of preference is whether that is sufficent reason not to try.

I'm sorry, because you are right that I sidestepped. One day many years ago I discovered Ayer/Logicism and dropped out of my philosophy degree, maybe you can see why!

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Jul 10, 2026 9:44 AM
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@Yuzuki This is the "ethical / source-available" space — see the Anti-Capitalist Software License, Hippocratic License, Commons Clause, BSL. Catch: none are OSI open-source and all are hard to enforce. Realistically AGPLv3 does more damage to Big Tech than any "ban corps" clause — it forces them to open-source everything built on top, SaaS included, and it actually holds up in court.

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Jul 10, 2026 10:24 AM
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@Nebuchadnezzar_II I'm not familiar w/Ayer or Logicism, though I'd agree the philosophy you would get at most places is obtuse and irritating, especially when it gets bogged down in "philosophese" language.

The reason this is not a matter of preference is that if you attempt to license code, you are claiming to own an idea and that is impossible. Suppose we ignore the Intellectual Property point and suppose you can license code, then you are still undermining user ownership of their hardware. You are in effect saying "you own this computer" AND "I own this computer", this is a contradiction; It is false. There is no room for preference here.
You're close to the conclusion, just think it through please.

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