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Bitcoin is actualy worthless and Monero is better

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Jun 24, 2026 10:56 PM
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Bitcoin was supposed to be censorship resistant peer to peer digital cash. That was the original pitch. Now it feels like most of the culture has turned into "buy, hold, and hope someone pays more later." If the only real utility is "number go up," then you have not built money. You have built a weird decentralized Ponzi game.

And the censorship resistance is overrated in practice. Sure Bitcoin itself cannot freeze your coins but exchanges can blacklist addresses, freeze deposits, and treat your coins as suspicious because of some history you had no control over. You might not even know there is a problem until you try to use them.

That is why Monero is better. People actually use it like money. They build things around it. They spend it. It works much closer to what crypto was supposed to be in the first place.

Bitcoiners love saying "1 BTC = 1 BTC," but that is not really true. Some Bitcoin can be considered clean, some can be considered tainted, and that makes it risky to spend or accept.

Monero is the only major crypto where "1 = 1" actually means something. It is private by default, fungible by default, and much better suited for real commerce. Bitcoin may have started the movement, but Monero is closer to the original idea.

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Jun 25, 2026 12:55 AM
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@rantcoin I want to agree but in reality Bitcoin still have better liquidity for now. But Monero will reach it too, we just need time.

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Jun 25, 2026 2:00 AM
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Those are very weak arguments.

In your first paragraph you (or chatgpt) argue that the only value of bitcoin is in hoping that someone else will pay more for it later, and therefore that it is inherently worthless. You could make the same argument for every commodity based monetary standard in history, including precious metals. Often these commodities have real world utility but this becomes an insignificant part of their market value, which is really dictated by monetary premium. History shows that this can be sustainable as long as there are no big supply shocks. Gold has dominated this niche by demonstrating sustainable scarcity (we struggle to find much more of it). Notice that this is not a case for bitcoin but just a rebuttal of simplistic criticism.

Your second paragraph argues that bitcoin is not censorship resistant if you keep them on an exchange. This applies to literally anything. If your ownership of anything exists solely on a centralised ledger then your transactions can be taxed, controlled and censored. If your identity is attached to this ledger then it will be used against you for further control. This applies to money in the bank, the stock market, the property market, paper gold. You can take paper cash out the bank, but it will devalue over time. You might be able to get paper stocks but in reality stocks do not exist beyond the legally recognized obligations of the company. In other words, they are inherently part of a centralized ledger. You might think you own your house but that is subject to the discretion of government enforcement infrastructure. Physical gold is so far the best alternative to this but it is not ideal because you depend on local markets for liquidity, transport is risky and expensive, and you risk getting fake gold. Bitcoin self custody has none of these issues.

Your third paragraph argues that monero is better because it is actually used like money. Better for what exactly? The dollar is actually used like money, does that make it better than gold? Monero is for security critical operations to make untraceable transactions. It is dominant within this niche because it uses reliable cryptography and dominates both the asic resistant mining industry. Conversely, bitcoin can securely sustain a much greater market cap because it dominates the global hashpower (electricity spent on mining) markets; bitcoin mining already accounts for 0.5% of global energy consumption whereas its leading competitors are negligible.

Your final argument addressing fungibility is by far the most pertinent because your are right that the entire history of any utxo is publicly traceable, and markets already discriminate against funds based on their history. This could create a future where 'tainted' coins are worth less than 'clean' coins because nobody wants to buy them. However, I think this would be unsustainable because the markets are free and global and would have to agree on a definition of 'taint'. I expect some large liquidity provider from some contrarian jurisdiction (Iran?) would come forward to claim the increased market share promised to whoever accepts those 'tainted' coins.

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Jun 25, 2026 7:29 AM
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These generic, reddit-tier threads must mean the forum is growing in popularity.

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Jun 25, 2026 12:48 PM
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@H1XMR It would seem a common response to the monumental and absurd task of trying to understand crypto (with all its breadth, markets, mechanisms, opportunities, risks, voices and stake holders) is to grasp at a tribalistic consensus to distinguish critical from trivial, and wisdom from folly, promising an apparently safe and comfortably scoped sandbox for both greed and intellectual curiosity at the cost of oversimplification and usually manipulation. I doubt this forum will go that way though because there are plenty of forums that better cater to that by design.

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