Monero Community don't know shit about P2P Circular Economy (come play Videogames instead)

Lazy af to do a properly formated thread or whatever the fuck right now on that monero forum thing so I’ll just sum shits up real quick I guess.

just look at this shit:
forums [dot] d2jsp [dot] org/forum.php?f=268
That part of this videogaming forum has activity in a bunch of threads multiple times each minutes, it’s for “Non-Ladder” but there is also “Ladder” part of the forum and different shits, also different videogames.
It dont use Monero but the forum currency “Forum Gold” (FG) - that has actual $ value
Which is even older than Bitcoin, the forum is around since 2001, literally lol.
Proof of Work (PoW) pre-cursor from botting.

Meanwhile, xmrbazaar is so poorly designed (like actually so so bad) and just wouldnt fit that community at all.
An other example of a properly designed website that fit that specific community:
traderie [dot] com/diablo2resurrected
Can literally search items by stats and whatnot on there.

It’s not microtransactions bullshits, it’s literally Peer to Peer from videogamers/botters to videogamers/botters P2P trading, nothing to do with microtransactions, actual P2P Circular Economy bigger than the DNMs.
Meanwhile it has been completely ignored by the cryptobros while it’s around for 24 years now (since 2001).
Here’s an insightful video from a content creator explaining a bit those markets (d2jsp mentioned at around the 15mins mark):
youtube [dot] com/watch?v=XL5NtMZHc_Q
(use a privacy respecting youtube frontend like invidious or piped or whatever the fuck)

Like, you heard about kraken? The crypto exchange?
d2legit [dot] com now redirects to kraken, literal piece of shit centralized exchange instead of /u/jespow growing the P2P circular economy through cryptocoins, he just went to build some bullshit CEX instead.

There’s other importers websites too.
Last ladder, one of those importer website (clakk-com) even played the leaderboard and got #2 SC this Ladder season: d2emu [dot] com/ladder?s=12&t=all-scxp
While Monero got #8 HC this Ladder season: d2emu [dot] com/ladder?s=12&t=all-hcxp
wtf next? just be like “xmrbazaar-com” while the whole UI of xmrbazaar is just so bad? fuck that shit lol

Anyways, yall should come play videogames with me and actually onboard that market.
I just bought an other dozens instances of the game (can easily run 10x instances on Ryzen integrated Graphics without even having a dedicated GPU, 64GB RAM minimum for 10x tho).
xmr [dot] cards/brand/blizzard-battle-net-usa
xmr [dot] cards/brand/blizzard-battle-net-eu
The game is “D2R” (released in 2021 as a remastered version of “Diablo 2” (the other diablo games from the franchise are straight up garbage), D2 is the one that got it right regarding P2P trading because even with the bots, odds on items to roll the proper values are in impossible numbers (even with bots), making the economy of it still alive decades later).
It was on sale for like 13 euros / $15 or so during black friday but is often on sale again through the year, who knows, maybe will again during xmas or somethin lol.
There is ofc many other videogames that supports trading as well (Path of Exile and things like that too), or Eloboosting in League of Legends or things of that nature as well.
But even on D2, selling rush services is a thing too, so is not just “Goods” (items) but also “Services” that are a thing on that P2P Circular economy thing.
For now I’ll keep focusing specifically on that D2R market (while being pro-player level on other videogames).

As of right now, I nuked my twitch streaming account, did an account deletion request for my xmrchat account.
But I’ll still keep playing the videogames, keep learning about those markets and rotating identities or whatever the fuck.

For anyone wanting to bring liquidity from that market into Monero, there are fungible items (fungible like Monero) with actual $ value that can be used as currency within the game already.
Since there is often banwave of bots, those values can go up again.
For example on “Non Ladder”, a 3/20/20 Fine Small Charm of Vita would be worth around $100 (literally can be used like a fungible $100 bill and can be found in-game)
Can use:
maxroll [dot] gg/d2/d2planner/
or things like that to have an idea of the odds to roll something with specific values)
a 20/5@ Shimmering Small Charm of Vita is worth around $30 or so
a “Jah Rune” is worth around $1
And again, those are not “microtransactions” bullshits, that’s literally what videogamers/botters finding in the game and are trading with other videogamers/botters (nothing to do with “microtransactions” bullshits).
Proof of Work before Proof of Work was called “Botting the videogame” and is still infinitely more profitable as of today than trying to mine Monero as a loss on expensive electricity.
Monero lost in term of mining profitability to a market that has been here for 24 years (way before Bitcoin), funny shits, just sayin x)

Anyways, come play videogames with me.
There was an up to date Monero thread on the “Investment & Finance” subforum category on d2jsp from few months ago but has been deleted by the admin recently (after some theatric bullshits dealing with glowies that hijacked the Monero hierarchy on those Matrix channels and CCS bullshits and whatnot), the thread from 2023 is still there, tho, closed now after 3 months of inactivity (since moved to the newer thread)

TLDR:
Videogamers are more based than the “Monero Community” since now alot of them are becoming Linux videogamers
So come join me learning about those P2P circular economy markets and playing the videogames so could on the long run onboard those OG P2P circular economy videogamers into like Monero (tho xmrbazaar is just so shit design-wise ngl, aintnoway I would be able to shill xmrbazaar with a straight face to that OG market lmao)

Hi, I don’t really know what your post is about beyond bitching about video games or something, I stopped reading after the second paragraph and had to skim the rest.

I have some free advice for how you can improve your communication skills so people will read and interact with your post:

  • Profanity isn’t cool or edgy anymore and makes you sound illiterate
  • Properly format your post with proper link formatting (if you can’t post links because you’re a new account, it would be better to just wait until your trust level increases so you can post links)
  • Use consistent paragraph spacing
  • The red squiggly lines under some of your words means a spelling error, right click and choose the appropriate correction

oooh i see, u on xmrbazaar and didnt likey being called out how the site is just straight up garbage LMAO

just get good noob, retarded designed website

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tryna be all liek “link formating” bullshits while this moneroforum shit dont even allow to post more than 2 links lmao, u retarded af x)

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lmao being all like “REEEE REPORTING THE REPLIES”
so easily offended
xmrbazaar is shit, u cant handle the truth

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xmrbazaar does have issues being that it is a BETA product, yes, not claiming xmrbazaar is perfect or even good/great for that matter.

You’re just not very nice to interact with and your follow ups aren’t very good spirited.

yea idgaf, not here to make frens or sale products or whatever the fuck u even doing on that xmrbazaar thing with AI pics on your product listings, that’s next level cringe

if u dont want to get shit done then u can fuck off that thread, that’s pretty much it, your input was unnecessary

the whole “oooh too long didnt read” bullshit and then being all like “lemme teach u life even tho didnt read the thread”

like fuck off lmao, just go back to ur xmrbazaar shit or whatever the fuck with retards on feds payroll as “mediator” :joy_cat:

well i guess that crosspost thing didnt work, idk wtf lol
https://monero.forum/t/looking-for-some-help-with-promotion/309/6
so just copy pasting manually cause i guess i too retarded for discourse lol:

aight so did some 420s, had the music from this tweet in loop:
https://xcancel.com/spirobel/status/1986338507439415738#m
(autism do be like that sometimes lol)

and i just thought…
like, that spiro dude is currently working on a browser extension to use as monero wallet or somethin
and while my comment on it last month was, i don’t really like the idea of thoses, because of the attack vectors on both web wallets and browser extensions (yes, they different lol)
also said that having something in the browser is kinda next level for UX

and with that new forum thing on discourse
started to check on what kind of design choice those other discourses been doing, like:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/
literally front page of the forum is the categories
so i was like, damn, kinda similar to how this videogaming forum thing is doing:
https://forums.d2jsp.org

which the latter is a whole community that exists since 2001 for trading videogaming items and videogaming services P2P through their own forum currency that been existing since way before bitcoin (Forum Golds (fg))

like, there’s that comment thing in here:

well.. have u thought about over there on that videogaming forum thing?

so then i was all like, fuck yea, videogaming, cause u know:

relevant topic:
https://monero.forum/t/monero-community-dont-know-shit-about-p2p-circular-economy-come-play-videogames-instead/283/4
(u dont have to read through it, is just so the discourse thing does the crosspost over there or whatever how its even working i dont even know lol)

so anyways, that videogaming forum thing has its own currency, is kinda like if people had their bank account balance public, but pretty much just the balance
then they still have their own trade history

and i guess in monero, the outgoing viewkeys still not working until C.A.R.R.O.T. iirc which should probably come along with the FCMP++ upgrade thing
but there is not really even a use for those even for that market over there either when thinking about it
like, the main reason the balance is public over there is because of the “2/3 rule” which is often used when trading

@Spiro dude
I use this as my note taking platform while writing #DearDiary. You are my rubbe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

So that 2/3 rule thing over there is like pretty much the “Trust Level” (TL on discourse)
and is used as a way to determine “who sends first” when doing a trade
(note: mediators (escrows) are also a thing on the videogaming forum)
which, for discourse could read how those TL work over there:

But over there the 3 variables of trust for that 2/3 rule thing are:

  • “Join Date”
  • “Amount of Posts”
  • “Wallet Balance”
    Which those first 2 could also be the case on a platform such as Discourse
    but for the “wallet balance” part, i guess for Discourse instead it could be like that:
  • “Join Date”
  • “Amount of Posts”
  • “Amount of Like received”

at first the idea to onboard that market over there would have been through a DEX that uses Monero, similar as Haveno or something like that, which, they also do have a working DEX, just not on that website, but is closed source and windows only: https://diablodex.com/
so like, nothx lol
but it dont even need its own currency anyways
which, unlike that forum that does, that DEX dont even use (but Monero would be good UX)
because there is already real world fungible currencies in the game already, that can be and is being used as $100 bills, $30 bills, $1 bills and so on
with pretty much those values as of today

so anyways, at this point am pretty much bored, too long didnt read or whatever i guess:
since Discourse is opensource: https://github.com/discourse/discourse
and seems like it can also have Templates: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-templates/229250
then i guess, don’t even need to have a decentralized alternative to onboard that market over there
could like, have a template to make it look similar to: https://forums.d2jsp.org
inspired by the design of that other Discourse over there: https://forums.unrealengine.com
and do the onboarding the community overtime, by having an xmrbazaar alternative but through discourse instead, while promoting the browser extension thing to the videogamers that are doing the trading over there while keeping streaming and whatnot

and in case that monero forum thing has to go down for some whatever reason
then similar as how Haveno does, which could spin an other network of it
(there is currently 2 haveno network btw: Retoswap and Dawnswap)
then could spin up an other instance of discourse by importing similar template that would have been used
and i guess it would be to the users to grind back that trading reputation thing
which since they would be doing the trading through the work in progress browser extension thing, then they would have less worries of getting rugpulled by an integration of some tipbot or somethin

and marketing strategy to onboard that market would be similar as what did this october:
with Monero getting #8 HC on that ladder thing over there:
https://d2emu.com/ladder?s=12&t=all-hcxp
while an importer clakk-com got #2 SC this ladder:
https://d2emu.com/ladder?s=12&t=all-scxp
(so coming forward could be “moneroDOTforum” or whatever other discourse if cant be done on this one, templates would be shareable anyways)
which those ladders lasts about 4 months so 4 times a year
so just playing 1 week or 2 of the videogame 4 times a year
while keeping doing the streaming, trading with those other streamers and keeping educating that community on the videogaming forum regarding Linux and Monero and multiboxing the videogame on Linux

note:
mediators / escrows / trusted traders or whatever could also have custom roles / trust levels on discourse:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/custom-trust-level/147253

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aight so for now i still on a gaming break
literally havent opened the game since october lol:

but there is no date announced just yet for the next ladder, which a date will be announced over there literally whenever:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92792030&f=148

so like, they usually lasts 3-4 months, so i guess could be january, could be february or literally whenever i guess lol, announcement usually is like a week or 2 before actual reset date

for now i thinking ill just take it easy on next ladder, and just try the mode Softcore (SC) instead, which until now, only played the mode Hardcore (HC)
which on HC, if the character ded, then is like actually ded ded and gotta start from start again at level 1 because lost the high level character and all of it’s expensive gear with it, o7 lol
which is literally what happened to me on Ladder 11 (reset @ June 20, 2025):

so then, still on Ladder 11, went to level an other one to 99 after a couple weeks break, still ended up like #61 HC, but was literally taking it easy after a whole 2 weeks break, can read more about #DearDiary over there lol:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=106605329&f=148
so was pretty much practice for later, but then at one point i wasnt paying attention and RIP the Battle Order buff Barb, and the Enchant buff Sorc Y_Y
o7 :crying_cat::

was still nice practice while it lasted, then on Ladder 12 HC, as mentioned in previous post, got #8, could have been better still, i didnt have an annihilus that would have been an extra 10% xp, didnt even have energy drinks smh, like, i did a bit of trolling tbh lol, still, decent ranking, whatever…
but also, that was quite expensive lol:

literally found a whole Ber rune at 15 hours 15mins in the ladder reset, which is worth about the same as a whole Jah rune on Day 1 ladder (~$200)
but ended up using it (instead of selling and making actual $….)
and on top of it, spent an extra $300 so could also get a Jah rune for the runeword that allows teleport on any other class than sorc (that was an assassin character so needed it)
so could have the best chances at topping that leaderboard thing with “BuyMonero” lol
and an unid griffon, that ended up getting some amazing stats, which could have resold for a fuck ton as well:

which had such low availibility on HC, got lucky to find an early seller cause there wasnt for the next 2 days or so lol
so also why i wanna try SC on the next ladder, to see the availibity of things which should be wayyy better :3
and HC is too much stress anyways, is literally like speed running mental burnout and grey hair LMAO

so anyways, whenever they announce a date for ladder reset, i could do a thread here for like:
”Bin 1x Jah, 1x Ber for day 1 - $400 total” or something like that
but i thinking, ill just take it easy and play solo self found, maybe rebuild some wealth
bought an other 15x instances of the game since, so there’s literally just a way here to make money while going afk, without even botting
like, just make a paladin (smiter), rush all the other instances of the game to hell act 1 and make a game for each of them and leave them afk in town until “uber diablo” spawns
(region specific, people gotta destroy ~75 - 125 SoJ (stone of jordans) to the town NPC to spawn “uber diablo”)
then can sell each of these annihilus (1 per spawn) for like ~2k fg each ($20) so like, 10 instances of the game is easy $200 on that first spawn while leaving the games open when sleeping and using the smiter when waking up to clear those uber diablos

like, how would that be so good for newcomers UX if for that RetoSwap deposit requirement, they could just make the amount required just from playing the videogame pretty quickly at a ladder reset
like, there’s a reason people on that market are literally taking their 1 break of the year from their real life job to play that videogame lol

TLDR:
no rush, ill prob take it easy for the Q1 2026 ladder, and maybe try to push again on Q2 2026 like did this Q4 2025
oh and i guess just as a flex lol:


which is also one of the main reason i thinking of moving to SC instead of HC
while, sure, playing HC is kind of a giga flex
finding a buyer for the item on that screenshot on HC is too much of a pain
and that would be heartbreaking to find a 3/20/20 fine small charm of vita in HC instead of SC where i could sell easier
which, i still have that one on HC Ladder in my inventory to this day, pretty sad lol

aight so i guess i lied lol
just traded $300 for 40k forum golds (monero to steam giftcards to fg)
so i guess ill try to do my best yet fucking again on next ladder Y_Y
(will probably be late january or february, keeping an eye out for when that reset happen)
well, will do SC probably tho, cause HC is just too much stress, and i want SC characters for later anyways
btw, current ladder, actually peaked #5 HC (even tho ended up #8):

like said, didnt even have energy drinks… then was just burned out on this piece of shit videogame already anyways, i hate it lol
literally 187 agonizing hours of just wanting to actually die for real lol
(even during naps, literally wanted to be ded so fucking bad lol)

so anyways, still procrastinating for now, still didnt remake a twitch account or xmrchat account for now, still debating if i even should, idk, will see
still didnt practice, but dont wanna get mental burnout by doing too much practice like happened in the past already too
but will have to anyways, i wanna do a sorc, which current ladder did an assassin character, havent played sorc in awhile so imma need to practice… i dont want to tho Y_Y

#mood

character name will probably be “moneroDOTforum” and account name “BuyMonero” or somethin like that, i literally wanna die already….
especially since the piconero level fee still not even a thing:
https://monero.forum/t/the-controversial-blocksize-limit-proposal-from-sgp/396

and that this monero forum thing not really designed for that as of now (but could later):
https://monero.forum/t/lets-make-monero-forum-awesome-give-me-your-ideas-here/390/5

and even then… would still need way more help from the monero community to onboard that market into monero…
while sure, i can do better than a whole actual team of monero community retards just as a 1 retard just by myself…
(true story, monero community are literal retards that are shit at their job, just sayin lol)
i cant do everything either so… yea….

anyways, if i do end up remaking a twitch or whatever, feel free to stop by during the stream and be like all motivational and shit, reminding to drink water or whatever the fuck, or even just send monies tbh, it helps, since am choosing to do the outreach with having monero frontpage thing instead of actually making money
(it’s one or the other, literally… and like a retard i been choosing the former instead of the latter….)
but even without sending money, literally just a motivational message or whatever helps on not wanting to actually kill myself for real for real lol
cause i literally hate playing the videogames and would rather do literally anything else than this…

in meantime i guess is selfcare time…
eating good food, doing the working out thingy, enjoying actual good sleep…

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@edisondotme hey congratz on the badges thingies!

my bad if i not very active rn
just been having fun trying to speedrun that new pokemon PokePath tower defense game thing lol

PokePath tower defense pokemon game been fun af ngl :3